I'm here to be myself as much as possible—and the absolute truth can only be...nothing.

A conversation about meaning, identity, physicality, and purpose with Bowen Dwelle and Andy Johns

This conversation is part of a series of interviews with various brothers and teachers, including many fellow writers, all of which are part of the body of work surrounding my book-length memoir An Ordinary Disaster—one man's proof that we can all learn to listen to ourselves, and to act upon the inner voice of our self, our sanity and our soul.

Andy Johns

is the writer behind

Clues Dot Life

here on Substack and creator of the Clues.life platform. He brings his personal experience with perfectionism, anxiety, and depression to his work on mental health, personal transformation, and the pursuit of meaning and purpose.

Andy and I got together recently for a deep and wide-ranging conversation on the infinity of consciousness, the connection between identity and purpose, and how to build a sense of identity, finding flow in the outdoors, the shapes and patterns of the natural world, and how physical activity can be a key to identity, the Grail myth and how it reveals that how “the absolute truth can only be nothing,” and how the search for purpose may never end, but we can still find a way to a satisfactory answer.

Especially if you’re someone with questions about purpose, identity, and the meaning of life, or if you’ve dealt with depression, anxiety, or a sense of not knowing yourself or where you’re headed, we think you’ll get a lot out of this conversation.

Following the interview are links to some of our writing, some further reading, and some questions for you — we’d love to hear from you! Use the ♡ and comments below 👇🏻

Andy and Bowen on Meaning and Purpose

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Further Reading

Here are a couple of pieces related to our conversation:

Clues #1: Opening up about mental health

Clues #7: Using Creativity as the Antidote to Perfectionism

Writing on Purpose, Identity and Meaning

“Defining Purpose” ManTalks podcast

“Fuck Finding Your Purpose” Ari In The Air podcast

Rogue River Journal: A Winter Alone — John Daniel

He: Understanding Masculine Psychology — Robert A. Johnson

Belonging: Remembering Ourselves Home — Toko-pa Turner

We’ve got some questions for you

1. Have you struggled with finding or feeling purpose? What has helped?

2. What is your own relationship with intuition?

3. How do you feel your own identity relates to your ability to find or feel purpose?

4. What’s a favorite story from your own life—especially one that you’re a little bit afraid to tell?

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